Welcome back to Beyond Personality Types, the podcast where we push past personality type labels and dive deep into practical frameworks for understanding human behavior. In this episode, hosts Linda Berens and Olivier Caudron continue their exploration of the Interaction Styles lens—a powerful approach for recognizing the subtle patterns that shape how we engage with the world and each other.
Today, you'll discover four distinct patterns of interaction: In Charge, Get Things Going, Chart the Course, and Behind the Scenes. Linda and Olivier break down what drives each style, from the need to accomplish and move things forward, to a passion for involving others, an instinct to anticipate and prepare, and the desire to integrate perspectives for the best possible outcome. They share real-life examples and team dynamics, making it easy for you to spot these patterns at work, at home, or within yourself.
Whether you’re a seasoned type practitioner or just starting your journey, this episode delivers practical wisdom and fresh insight to help you honor the diversity of interaction styles—so you can foster greater understanding, compassion, and effectiveness in any group. Let's go beyond type results and discover what truly shapes our behaviors and experiences.
00:00 Drive and Motivation in Leadership
03:45 Meeting Leadership and Team Dynamics
08:27 "Structured Planning and Focused Action"
10:22 Integrative Leadership Style Explained
15:14 Optimizing Platform for Best Results
19:06 Respecting Diverse Interaction Styles
1. Introduction to the Episode
Introduction of hosts (Linda Berens and Olivier Caudron).
Overview of the podcast’s purpose: moving beyond personality indicator results.
Framing of the episode: focusing on the Interaction Styles lens.
Promise of key takeaways: recognizing four patterns in interaction styles for increased self-awareness and understanding.
2. The Four Interaction Styles Framework: Big Picture Overview
Explanation of the Interaction Styles as practical patterns in behavior.
The importance of identifying the core needs and drives behind each style.
How recognizing these patterns can help in team environments and personal growth.
3. In-Depth Exploration of Each Interaction Style
a. In Charge Pattern
b. Get Things Going Pattern
c. Chart the Course Pattern
d. Behind the Scenes Pattern
4. Practical Implications: Observing and Applying Interaction Styles
How these patterns appear in team settings and group dynamics.
Recognizing interaction styles in public figures or news events.
The importance of looking beyond surface behavior to underlying drives.
Strategies for practitioners: respecting differences, timing, energy, and creating inclusive environments.
Value of honoring and leveraging interaction styles for group effectiveness and harmony.
5. Recap and Practical Wisdom for Practitioners
Summary of each pattern’s strengths and core needs:
In Charge: drive for results
Welcome back to Beyond Personality Types, the podcast where we push past personality type labels and dive deep into practical frameworks for understanding human behavior. In this episode, hosts Linda Berens and Olivier Caudron continue their exploration of the Interaction Styles lens—a powerful approach for recognizing the subtle patterns that shape how we engage with the world and each other.
Today, you'll discover four distinct patterns of interaction: In Charge, Get Things Going, Chart the Course, and Behind the Scenes. Linda and Olivier break down what drives each style, from the need to accomplish and move things forward, to a passion for involving others, an instinct to anticipate and prepare, and the desire to integrate perspectives for the best possible outcome. They share real-life examples and team dynamics, making it easy for you to spot these patterns at work, at home, or within yourself.
Whether you’re a seasoned type practitioner or just starting your journey, this episode delivers practical wisdom and fresh insight to help you honor the diversity of interaction styles—so you can foster greater understanding, compassion, and effectiveness in any group. Let's go beyond type results and discover what truly shapes our behaviors and experiences.
00:00 Drive and Motivation in Leadership
03:45 Meeting Leadership and Team Dynamics
08:27 "Structured Planning and Focused Action"
10:22 Integrative Leadership Style Explained
15:14 Optimizing Platform for Best Results
19:06 Respecting Diverse Interaction Styles
1. Introduction to the Episode
Introduction of hosts (Linda Berens and Olivier Caudron).
Overview of the podcast’s purpose: moving beyond personality indicator results.
Framing of the episode: focusing on the Interaction Styles lens.
Promise of key takeaways: recognizing four patterns in interaction styles for increased self-awareness and understanding.
2. The Four Interaction Styles Framework: Big Picture Overview
Explanation of the Interaction Styles as practical patterns in behavior.
The importance of identifying the core needs and drives behind each style.
How recognizing these patterns can help in team environments and personal growth.
3. In-Depth Exploration of Each Interaction Style
a. In Charge Pattern
b. Get Things Going Pattern
c. Chart the Course Pattern
d. Behind the Scenes Pattern
4. Practical Implications: Observing and Applying Interaction Styles
How these patterns appear in team settings and group dynamics.
Recognizing interaction styles in public figures or news events.
The importance of looking beyond surface behavior to underlying drives.
Strategies for practitioners: respecting differences, timing, energy, and creating inclusive environments.
Value of honoring and leveraging interaction styles for group effectiveness and harmony.
5. Recap and Practical Wisdom for Practitioners
Summary of each pattern’s strengths and core needs:
In Charge: drive for results
INTRODUCTION
Welcome to another episode of Beyond Personality Types. Today, hosts Olivier Caudron and Linda Berens take us on a deep dive into the concept of "InterStrength"—a unique blend of inner and interpersonal strengths that goes far beyond simply knowing your MBTI type. Drawing from Linda’s personal journey as an INTP, this episode explores how understanding your core psychological needs can help you reclaim your authentic self, navigate stress, and foster more meaningful connections with those around you.
You’ll hear how Linda’s experience with personality patterns, temperament theory, and frameworks like Myers-Briggs, DISC, and her own Essential Motivators model shaped her growth—and how anyone can use these tools to develop both personal awareness and empathy for others. Olivier and Linda share practical tips on identifying your core needs, embracing multiple perspectives, and daring to try on different “shoes” to reveal your own InterStrength.
Whether you’re a type practitioner, enthusiast, or simply seeking new ways to nurture personal evolution, this episode offers real stories and actionable insights to help you go beyond the labels—and step into your full potential.
TIMESTAMPED OVERVIEW
00:00 Cultivating Inner Strength Methodology
05:07 "Embracing Unconventional Womanhood"
10:03 Embracing Personality Type for Growth
11:30 Core Psychological Needs Overview
16:49 "Essential Motivators Model Explained"
20:32 Enhancing Interpersonal Understanding
22:15 Cultivating Inner Strength and Empathy
KEY TOPICS AND BULLETS
Definition and exploration of "InterStrengths"
Rationale for going beyond traditional personality type frameworks
Difference between “inner strength” and “interpersonal strength”
Explanation of why “inter strength” is not just in the dictionary sense
Origins of the term (credited to Nikki Joe Varner)
Integration of internal (psychological) and interpersonal strengths
The role of understanding self and others in building strength
How internal strength is influenced by environment, upbringing, and current context
Taking action based on understanding core psychological needs and drives
Discovery of personality type and its impact (through Myers-Briggs)
Influence of David Keirsey and temperament theory
Navigating societal and familial expectations
The transformative moment of self-recognition and acceptance
Gaining personal insight through self-discovery
Reclaiming strength after feeling constrained by roles or expectations
Using knowledge of type to address unmet needs and stressors
Realizing the importance of differences within family dynamics
Learning to appreciate and make space for those with different perspectives
Moving from self-orientation toward openness to other people's experiences
Frameworks and methods to support