“As a young boy, I wanted to be one thing only—a professional athlete. What I was learning at that young age is the concept of rejection, that no one wanted me. It’s the worse feeling in the world so I started to run, because no one can cut you from running,” says Dave McGillivray, in a conversation with Eric Gilsenan on the Beyond Podcast. The two longtime friends discuss Dave’s early motivations to begin endurance training, his history with IRONMAN, and his memories as long-time race organizer.