In episode 9 of the Between Two Lines Podcast, Ash catches up with a Chris Payten, a Personal Trainer and Sports Nutritionist from Brisbane, Australia. In this episode, they discuss the following topics:
 - How the industry has changed over the last 9 years (how's & why's) , body transformations, rehab/pain, from a mental perspective
 
 - Reflecting on the last 12 months & how it has changed both of us mentally 
 
  - Chris’ battle with anxiety/mental health/panic attacks which eventually led to a breakdown
 
  - The masks we wear in life in different environments to fit in & be accepted 
 
  - The emotions we display and how they originate from childhood conditioning. The power of understanding emotions and identifying them as merely feedback.
 
  - How we can start learning to self regulate our own nervous systems
 
  - The struggle of trusting others & ultimately ourselves
 
  - How to build trust in our lives 
 
  - Healing and what that really means
 
  - Viewing healing as a constant never ending improvement in your quality of life.