In this episode, Mario and Anya sit down with the renowned economist and activist, Ann Pettifor. The interview is a deep dive into her illustrious career, as well as an exploration of Pettifor's insights regarding the global financial system. She sheds light on its pervasive impact on daily lives and underscores the pressing need for transformative grassroots actions. Drawing from her experience leading the influential Jubilee 2000 campaign, Pettifor shares invaluable lessons and her vision for a more equitable economic future. Join us for an enlightening discussion that bridges the gap between high-level economic theories and on-the-ground realities. This episode was produced by Anya Bégué, Manju von Rospatt, and Mario Simmaco.