In this special live episode of Between Sundays, recorded at the We Gather event in Dallas, Texas, our hosts—Gary Lewis, Mark Williams, Loran Livingston, and David Cooper—sit down with a room full of ministers and spouses for a powerful, honest conversation about life in ministry.

With wisdom drawn from decades of experience, they share insights on staying spiritually refreshed, avoiding the trap of comparison, leading through hard seasons, and embracing the sacred weight of the calling. From laughter-filled stories about road trip mishaps to deeply personal reflections on burnout, mental health, and calling, this episode is a masterclass in pastoral resilience and authenticity.

Whether you're in a season of harvest or hardship, this episode will encourage you to stay the course, remember your calling, and never lose sight of the One you're following.

If you are feeling alone or depressed, please talk to someone at the Center for Ministerial Care