Political geographer Reece Jones discusses the politics of immigration under the second Trump administration. An expert on the history of borders, migration, policy, and politics, Jones explains how immigration restriction in America has always been bound up with racial exclusion and demographic engineering, from Chinese exclusion to the border wall. He reviews US immigration policy from the civil rights movement forward, and he explains how the Trump administration in its second incarnation is advancing ideas first forged by fascists and eugenicists a century ago. Reece Jones is a political geographer who studies the relationship between states, borders, and people on the move. He is a Guggenheim Fellow, professor at UH Manoa, and prolific author of books examining US immigration policy. Robert Perkinson (interviewer) is an associate professor of American Studies at UH Manoa and the director of the Better Tomorrow Speaker Series.