Host Ellis Henican speaks with Benji Backer, who provides an intrepid vision for both solving our climate crisis and prioritizing the American national interest. Politicians, pseudo-experts, and other partisans have led us to believe that there are only two approaches to climate change: doomerism or denial. Benji argues that both are dead ends.  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.