Dr Neil Spenceley is a paediatric intensivist in Glasgow, and a long-time friend of LFE.  We talk with Neil about a number of related topics including safety-II, understanding complexity, challenges in safety investigations, reductionism, the problem with aiming for “zero”, WAD vs WAI and a LOT more.  Neil is really knowledgeable in this area, and he explains his thoughts in an easy, listenable way.  As we often do in the conversations, we ran out of time, so stay tuned for a repeat conversation some time in the future.