In this conversation, Katja and Sanni explore the alchemical nature of breath and what "alchemy" is. They speak about what it means to live beyond the “real world” of mental abstraction, and to return to the direct, lived experience of exchange — between breath, body, and the wider field of life (the Tide).

From the threshold moments that transmute exhaustion into creativity, to the fractal intelligence of breath that mirrors the geometry of the universe, all the way to the Meaning of Life ( _yes, we went there again_ )😏

This episode is touching on topics:

• The difference between doing breathwork and becoming breath
• Breath as a fractal of life — the mandala always drawing itself
• How true alchemy happens at the threshold between control and surrender
• The subtle art of attunement: listening before doing
• What the “real world” actually means (and how to re-enter the lived world)
• Why catharsis ≠ transformation — and what relational alchemy really feels like
• The physics of surrender without the transactional aspect of “so that...”
• The role clarity between you and the Tide

In this conversation, Sanni and Katja bring nuance to one of the most misunderstood distinctions in the breathwork world that no one talks about: the difference between breathing therapy and breathing for “healing”. They explore what makes breathwork truly therapeutic - where listening, presence, and relational attunement guide the process - versus approaches that impose technique, catharsis, or correction.

• What “breathing therapy” actually means (and why it’s not one-size-fits-all-protocol)
• The fine line between repatterning and overriding the body’s intelligence
• Trauma, breath, and the misconception and misinformation of “releasing all trauma from your body”
• The role of resonance, relational field, and the body’s inherent treatment plan

“Change your breath, change your life” - you hear this everywhere. But what actually happens when we do it? In this episode, Sanni and Katja explore the seduction and shadow of breath manipulation - from traditional pranayama to the latest breathwork trends - and what gets lost when we focus on changing rather than listening and knowing first.

They unpack how breath can become both a portal and a trap: a doorway into bliss, but also into dissociation, control, and spiritual bypassing. Through their own lived experiences, they question what it really means to breathe naturally and how true breathwork may not be “work” at all.

• The hidden cost of “change your breath, change your life”
• How spiritual practice can fragment rather than integrate
• The difference between awareness and manipulation
• Losing (and finding) the ground of your own breath
• Dissociation disguised as transcendence
• Why the most elaborate breath-manipulation practice might be doing nothing in the long run  

A philosophical and embodied inquiry into what happens when we stop fixing the breath and let it show us how to live instead.

In this episode, Sanni and Katja explore the mythology of “right” and “wrong” breathing and how our human obsession with fixing, categorizing, and directing breath to create a certain outcome keeps us from meeting the living intelligence that breath already is. Even when the outcome we are steering towards is more connection to this living intelligence.

They touch on the full range of breathwork - from functional to therapeutic to transpersonal - and question whether the breath really needs our control at all.

Expect reflections on:

• Why “fixing” the breath often fragments it further
• The myth of the perfect breath and the “am I doing it right?” trap
• How modern wellness turns relationship into perpetual unachievable self-improvement
• Listening, presence, and the natural intelligence of breath

Sometimes the most healing breath is the one that breathes you.

In this first episode of the Becoming BREATH(work) podcast, Sanni and Katja dive into the living question at the heart of Becoming BREATH(work):
What if breathwork isn’t something we do but a web of relationship we enter?

They explore how modern approaches to breath often become transactional and technique-driven, and what shifts when we meet Breath as a living force, a field, and a mirror for the art of relating itself.

* The difference between technique and relationship

* Why “doing it right” misses the point

* The art of relating, breathing, and being alive

Becoming Breath is about remembering that everything is forever breathing.

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