We sat down with Dr. Austin Johnson is a BCBA, School Psychologist, and Assistant Professor at UC Riverside. We connected with Dr. Johnson after he wrote a formal response to JABA/SEAB's Statement of Concern, where he laid out the significant problems in the statement. We have been working with Upswing Advocates behind the scenes to push for the retraction of this article. Dr. Johnson along with the Upswing Advocates voices’ are uplifted on this eppy. This is a heavy episode, but a necessary one. Take in bites or take it in at once, we just ask that you take it in. Share this episode with fellow colleagues.

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