In this episode, we speak once again to Dan Delurey, a clean energy and climate expert, who has been to all recent COPs. He disects the implication of the breakthrough agreement for transition away from fossil fuels, and tells us how the COP process truly works through the course of the year leading up to the final negotiations. He also explains the various zones at COP- blue, green, etc, where real ideas germinate and real transformations take place.