You ever make a decision so bold, so wild, so absolutely based on zero logic that even your own brain was like, “Wait… what are we doing?” That, my friend, is what we call trusting your gut—aka handing the steering wheel to your inner GPS who hasn’t updated since 2009 but feels like it knows the way. Taking a leap of faith is basically jumping off a cliff and hoping your instincts packed a parachute… or at least a decent snack for the fall.

This week, we have a surprise appearance by Joe Pagac, who joins us for the ride — and yes, we definitely go down a few rabbit holes!

We’re also joined by Gabe Cenciceros — restaurateur, author, father, and all-around powerhouse — and we grill him (pun intended) about what he’s learned on his entrepreneurial journey.