In this conversation, we dive into the concept of known unknowns and unknown unknowns — and why they’re at the heart of both AI development and human learning.

From invisible bottlenecks in hardware that can derail the best AI systems, to the hidden experts who navigate these challenges daily, we explore how progress depends on finding and talking to the people who know what you don’t.

We also examine a rarely discussed topic in the AI hype cycle: human intelligence. Just like AI, people operate within the limits of what they know and what they’ve been trained on — until someone guides them past those limits.

Whether it’s building rockets, teaching yoga, or advancing AI, breakthroughs happen when we connect with the right minds to illuminate what’s beyond our current understanding.

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