In this episode, Kendall, rachel, and Ilan talk about:

• Moving from the IT to the Ops side of the house
• Being on both sides of "the wall"
• Wearing All The Hats at Datadog
• The nature of "glue work"
  
• How org size affects leadership roles
• Stretching and doing new things vs "fake it 'til you make it"
• How product management roles change as you move up the ladder
• The relationship between domain expertise and authority
• How sometimes it's not a democracy
• Taking a break to find out what's next
• The pressure of prior successes
• Learning how to chill out a bit :)

You can find Ilan at https://www.linkedin.com/in/irabinovitch/

Special thanks to Mel Stanley for our theme music <3