In Another Day in the Colony, Mununjali and South Sea Islander health activist Chelsea Watego has a chapter called F**k Hope. She urges her mob to be nihilistic because hope is the dream deferred, better to embrace sovereignty and take matters into your own hands. Sharing the conversation is podcaster and author Dr Emma Espiner (Ngāti Tukorehe, Ngāti Porou), who has an upcoming memoir There’s a Cure for This, and is an outspoken advocate for including Te Ao Māori within our healthcare system. They speak with Mihingarangi Forbes. First Nations series supported by the High Commission of Canada and the Australia Council for the Arts