The National Theatre's Head of Play Development Nina Steiger and Artistic Director Rufus Norris, who is also a member of the Genesis Kickstart Fund Advisory Council, join for a lively discussion about this febrile time for theatre. Together, they discuss the crisis the sector is facing and how new work development and programming at the National Theatre is directly affected. They look at the future, at the need to refresh the canon and demistify the process of developing new work, with a focus on music theatre.