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Artificiality: Being with AI
Helen and Dave Edwards
105 episodes
1 week ago
Artificiality was founded in 2019 to help people make sense of artificial intelligence. We are artificial philosophers and meta-researchers. We believe that understanding AI requires synthesizing research across disciplines: behavioral economics, cognitive science, complexity science, computer science, decision science, design, neuroscience, philosophy, and psychology. We publish essays, podcasts, and research on AI including a Pro membership, providing advanced research to leaders with actionable intelligence and insights for applying AI. Learn more at www.artificiality.world.
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Artificiality was founded in 2019 to help people make sense of artificial intelligence. We are artificial philosophers and meta-researchers. We believe that understanding AI requires synthesizing research across disciplines: behavioral economics, cognitive science, complexity science, computer science, decision science, design, neuroscience, philosophy, and psychology. We publish essays, podcasts, and research on AI including a Pro membership, providing advanced research to leaders with actionable intelligence and insights for applying AI. Learn more at www.artificiality.world.
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DeepSeek: What Happened, What Matters, 
and Why It’s Interesting
Artificiality: Being with AI
25 minutes 58 seconds
9 months ago
DeepSeek: What Happened, What Matters, 
and Why It’s Interesting

First:

- Apologies for the audio! We had a production error…


What’s new:

- DeepSeek has created breakthroughs in both: How AI systems are trained (making it much more affordable) and how they run in real-world use (making them faster and more efficient)


Details

- FP8 Training: Working With Less Precise Numbers

- Traditional AI training requires extremely precise numbers

- DeepSeek found you can use less precise numbers (like rounding $10.857643 to $10.86)

- Cut memory and computation needs significantly with minimal impact

- Like teaching someone math using rounded numbers instead of carrying every decimal place

- Learning from Other AIs (Distillation)

- Traditional approach: AI learns everything from scratch by studying massive amounts of data

- DeepSeek's approach: Use existing AI models as teachers

- Like having experienced programmers mentor new developers:

- Trial & Error Learning (for their R1 model)

- Started with some basic "tutoring" from advanced models

- Then let it practice solving problems on its own

- When it found good solutions, these were fed back into training

- Led to "Aha moments" where R1 discovered better ways to solve problems

- Finally, polished its ability to explain its thinking clearly to humans

- Smart Team Management (Mixture of Experts)

- Instead of one massive system that does everything, built a team of specialists

- Like running a software company with:

- 256 specialists who focus on different areas

- 1 generalist who helps with everything

- Smart project manager who assigns work efficiently

- For each task, only need 8 specialists plus the generalist

- More efficient than having everyone work on everything

- Efficient Memory Management (Multi-head Latent Attention)

- Traditional AI is like keeping complete transcripts of every conversation

- DeepSeek's approach is like taking smart meeting minutes

- Captures key information in compressed format

- Similar to how JPEG compresses images

- Looking Ahead (Multi-Token Prediction)

- Traditional AI reads one word at a time

- DeepSeek looks ahead and predicts two words at once

- Like a skilled reader who can read ahead while maintaining comprehension


Why This Matters

- Cost Revolution: Training costs of $5.6M (vs hundreds of millions) suggests a future where AI development isn't limited to tech giants.

- Working Around Constraints: Shows how limitations can drive innovation—DeepSeek achieved state-of-the-art results without access to the most powerful chips (at least that’s the best conclusion at the moment).


What’s Interesting

- Efficiency vs Power: Challenges the assumption that advancing AI requires ever-increasing computing power - sometimes smarter engineering beats raw force.

- Self-Teaching AI: R1's ability to develop reasoning capabilities through pure reinforcement learning suggests AIs can discover problem-solving methods on their own.

- AI Teaching AI: The success of distillation shows how knowledge can be transferred between AI models, potentially leading to compounding improvements over time.

- IP for Free: If DeepSeek can be such a fast follower through distillation, what’s the advantage of OpenAI, Google, or another company to release a novel model?

Artificiality: Being with AI
Artificiality was founded in 2019 to help people make sense of artificial intelligence. We are artificial philosophers and meta-researchers. We believe that understanding AI requires synthesizing research across disciplines: behavioral economics, cognitive science, complexity science, computer science, decision science, design, neuroscience, philosophy, and psychology. We publish essays, podcasts, and research on AI including a Pro membership, providing advanced research to leaders with actionable intelligence and insights for applying AI. Learn more at www.artificiality.world.