Important: Read medical disclaimer at the bottom before listening Today I’m speaking with Nick Hudson. He is the co-founder of the South African organization PANDA—Pandemics Data and Analytics—which, as stated on their website, “provide[s] decision makers calculated data on the virus’ cost on SA livelihoods.” Nick and I cover what is known about the virus and the disastrous effects of lockdown policies on people and businesses. We explore how bad epistemology and political philosophy lead to tangible harm in society, and how we *should* treat each other during this pandemic instead. I learned a lot—some questions that seem basic, such as whether masks work or not, have deep and interesting answers that may surprise you. Enjoy. PANDA: https://pandata.org PANDA's Twitter: https://twitter.com/PanData19 Nick's Twitter: https://twitter.com/NickHudsonCT Donate to PANDA: https://pandata.org/donate/ Subscribe to PANDA's newsletter: https://pandata.org/subscribe-panda-newsletter/ IMPORTANT: Medical disclaimer — Read before listening Neither Nick Hudson nor Dennis Hackethal are trained medical professionals. The contents of this episode are for informational purposes only and do not provide a substitute for professional medical advice in any way, shape or form. Do not use information presented in this episode to make decisions about your or others' health. Speak with your doctor/medical professional instead. Reliance on any information in this episode is solely at your own risk.