Today I have my first guest on the podcast. His name is Logan Chipkin. Logan is a freelance writer and ghostwriter in Philadelphia, and he is an expert on what is called anarcho-capitalism, also known as voluntarism. We talk about this concept, which he describes as the recognition that all services governments provide could be provided cheaper and better by the free market, and that the government is morally illegitimate. We also cover some of the work on coercion that can be found on the *Taking Children Seriously* homepage, and we explore some of the effects coercion has on society and individuals. We relate the study of economics to the study of epistemology and, therefore, AGI, apply Popper's criterion of democracy, discuss the American government's response to the pandemic, and briefly touch on David Deutsch's Constructor Theory as well. Logan's previous publications can be found at http://www.loganchipkin.com, and he can be found on Twitter here: https://twitter.com/ChipkinLogan. We had some audio issues, so it sounds a bit like Logan is on speaker phone. I encourage you to ignore that as much as possible. Talking to Logan was fun and I learned a lot. Enjoy. References: - Logan's website: http://www.loganchipkin.com - Logan's Twitter: https://twitter.com/ChipkinLogan - The meme of the vampiric government: https://twitter.com/liberty_deity/status/1272916941536018432/photo/1 - *Taking Children Seriously* glossary: https://www.takingchildrenseriously.com/node/50 - David Deutsch's *The Beginning of Infinity*: https://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Infinity-Explanations-Transform-World/dp/0143121359 - Constructor Theory: http://constructortheory.org/