In this episode, I have the great pleasure of speaking with my friend and fellow writer Pat Sullivan about her witty workplace satire In the Frame. Her book is set in a fictional Toronto Art Gallery called Toronto Art Gallery (TAG) and offers a behind-the-scenes look at the art world. Instead of the usual and commonplace art world tropes of heists and forgeries, Pat’s book draws on her own gallery experience to reveal the real-life tensions, mishaps, and personalities that animate and often complicate working at such institutions. The story follows four central characters including a director, two curators, and an educator as they navigate the chaos leading up to a high-stakes gala fundraiser. Pat explores different workplace conflicts, from power struggles and artistic ambitions to burnout and the challenge of pleasing donors, staff, and the public. The novel also shines a light on the unsung heroes of the gallery, such as technical assistants, and highlights the complex balancing act required to keep a cultural institution thriving. Pat also shares insights into her writing process, the importance of context in art appreciation, and the therapeutic value of turning real-life frustrations into readable and relatable fiction. She offers practical advice for aspiring writers, emphasizing perseverance, adaptability, and the realities of both traditional and self-publishing as well as how AI cannot replace works of art. In fact, In the Frame promises readers a smart, humorous, and authentic glimpse into the art world’s backstage drama, perfect for anyone curious about what really happens when the gallery doors close. It makes me appreciate not only art more but also the amount of work and effort that go into the upkeep and maintenance of an art gallery.