In this conversation, Anna Nalpantidis talks to dance artist Tra Mi Dinh about rebelling against the black box, competitive dancing and “immersive empathy design”. Tra Mi reflects on her award-winning Keir Choreographic piece, The __ and Olafur Eliasson’s work, Beauty. They also speak about sensorial engagement and how art can be a tool for eliciting visceral bodily experiences.

APHIDS LISTENS is an alternative archive where artists share a work they’ve made, and a work they’ve loved.

Original APHIDS LISTENS theme and music by Becky Sui Zhen, audio engineering by Nina Buchanan.