On the latest episode of Ao Mai te Rā, Dr Hinemoa Elder is joined by Dr Kathie Irwin. (Ngāti Porou, Rakaipaaka, Ngāti Kahungunu, Orkney Islands, Scottish & Irish). Kathie has built a career specialising research, social entrepreneurship and creative change initially in the education sector. Kathie has extensive experience across three decades in higher education, public policy and research & evaluation. The last decade has seen Kathie in positions of senior management and governance working across the Public Sector, NGO and Iwi. In these roles she has championed the Treaty of Waitangi, Diversity and Inclusion, and led Maori Strategies enabling organisations to create real change, measured in concrete outputs and transformed outcomes.