Authoritarians rely on scapegoat tactics to distract the public from root problems and isolate groups that have historically faced discrimination. Scot and Sue are joined by Sulma Arias, an immigrant herself, who for decades has fought to block authoritarian policies, restore faith in democracy, and build a multi-racial majority that wins together. She reflects on her time organizing in Kansas against anti-immigrant and authoritarian politician Kris Kobach, and makes the case for how a revival of community and worker organizing is key to stopping authoritarianism. Guest Bio Sulma Arias brings over 20 years of organizing experience to her role as Executive Director for People’s Action. She immigrated to Kansas from El Salvador at the age of 12 and ultimately went on to lead Sunflower Community Action, where she worked on training organizers and building a base of volunteers to fight for driver’s licenses and tuition access for immigrants and fighting harmful policies during the Kobach era. Sulma’s organizing work spans many issues including immigrant rights, voting rights, and economic justice, and her practice has always centered directly impacted people to build power. Listen, Rate, and Subscribe! Apple Podcasts Spotify Join 22CI’s mailing list Support Convergence Magazine Learn about 22CI’s 2025 Conference Contact Information Email: info@22ci.org Website: www.22ci.org Social Media: Follow us on Twitter and Instagram