A conversation between co-hosts Samuael Topiary and Alisa Lebow as we debate the virtues and complexities of these two different films about the same French volcanologists, Katia and Maurice Krafft, created with the same archive of footage. Mid-way through the episode, we are joined by special guest, Toby Ashworth, an expert on documentaries about geology. Toby shares his knowledge about the history of volcano films and adds his own views about the uncanny relationship between Sara Dosa's film Fire of Love (2022) and Werner Herzog's requiem The Fire Within (2022).

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