
In this two-part powerhouse episode, Andy Audate sits down with Matt Deseno—founder of HR Pro Tools—to unpack how a pandemic, a premature birth, and a pile of unpaid invoices forced him to innovate under pressure. Matt reveals how he transformed his high-ticket marketing agency into a thriving SaaS support company built around the HighLevel ecosystem. He opens up about affiliate marketing pitfalls, scaling philosophies, strategic pivots, and why disconnected revenue became his mission after a NICU crisis during COVID. If you’re building a business—or rebuilding one—this is the blueprint you need.
⏱️ Timestamps
00:00 – Intro: Trauma, fatherhood, and financial resolve
01:15 – Affiliate commissions and the Shopify fallout
05:10 – Starting with HighLevel and becoming a pioneer SaaS vendor
08:30 – Predictability vs. scalability: pricing philosophies that scale
12:00 – Why usage-based pricing can kill customer retention
18:40 – How COVID and fatherhood forced a business pivot
29:50 – The launch of HR Pro Tools and Zapier Chat
36:00 – Building disconnected revenue and eliminating founder dependency
40:45 – The entrepreneur's obsessive mindset and control issues
47:00 – Subscription over one-time payments: keeping support relevant
50:30 – Why most businesses plateau at $1M and the operator vs. visionary challenge
54:00 – The parenting philosophy that fuels Matt’s business ambition
57:00 – Hiring, firing, and growing a team from T-ball to major leagues
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