Jerry Eicher of Anabaptist Theological Perspectives returns to the contested topic of penal substitution, tracing its resurgence in Reformed and Baptist circles and asking whether the theory has been given too prominent a role in atonement theology.The episode surveys atonement themes—penal substitution, Christus Victor (Gustav Aulén), sovereignty versus human freedom, and the implications for reading Romans, understanding redemption, and discerning God’s glory—and argues that penal substitution is true but should be subordinate to the victory-centered Christus Victor framework.Listeners can expect historical references, three central arguments about where penal substitution belongs, critique of Calvinistic dominance, and practical implications for Christian theology and spiritual life from an Anabaptist perspective.