It’s in the water, baby! We’re discussing One Tree Hill S4E4, “Can’t Stop This Thing We Started” aka the one where we learn that we have been gaslit into thinking Brooke (Sophia Bush) was pregnant when it was actually Haley (Bethany Joy Lenz)! It’s also when we get further confirmation that Derek (Matt Barr) has far from brotherly love for Peyton (Hilarie Burton Morgan); get introduced to Shelley (Elisabeth Harnois), the Clean Teens and some problematic anti-choice narratives; and DebRoe (Barbara Alyn Woods/Moira Kelly) continues to be on the outs. Also, Rachel (Danneel Ackles) poses for Maxim and we’re both feeling very bisexual about it (Don’t worry, we do unpack some of the problematic aspects from behind the scenes as well).

We also discuss:

• The episode’s namesake, “Can’t Stop This Thing We Started” by Bryan Adams.
• Portrayals of addiction
• Whether the “pregnancy twist” works.
• Is Dan (Paul Johansson) complicated or just a terrible person?
• Lucas (Chad Michael Murray) rejoining the Ravens.
• Alternate portrayals of abortions and miscarriages in media (Jeremy gives shoutouts to Jane the Virgin, The Bold Type, and 90210!)
• Lucas’ growing suspicions of Derek

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