Thomas Nys is in the Faculty of Humanities at the University of Amsterdam. Bart Engelen is an associate professor at Tilburg University, also in the Netherlands. Together, they have co-authored a number of essays. Today we will be discussing their chapter from the recently published The Philosophy of Online Manipulation [https://www.routledge.com/The-Philosophy-of-Online-Manipulation/Jongepier-Klenk/p/book/9781032071145], published in 2020. The title of this chapter is "Commercial Online Choice Architecture: When Roads Are Paved With Bad Intentions." Some of the topics we discuss are commercial online choice architecture (for which they use the acronym COCA), whether COCAs can be said to be manipulative, different conceptions of what manipulation is, how COCAs can undermine our autonomy, and what is at stake when our autonomy is eroded by web-based commercial interests—among many other topics. We hope you enjoy the conversation as much as we did. For more info on the show, please visit ethicscircle.org [https://www.ethicscircle.org/].