Will artificial general intelligence arrive in years or decades? In this 4-minute condensation of a 52-minute debate, host Liron Shapira and guest Tsvi Benson-Tilsen clash over timelines, benchmarks, and what counts as creativity. You’ll get the core arguments: Liron’s skepticism and demand for sharp, operational tests and early alarms, versus Tsvi’s case for continuous capability gains across LLMs, model combinations, and measurable intermediate milestones. Learn the practical takeaways on AGI timelines, AI alignment, blackbox benchmarks, sample complexity, and signs to watch in research and job disruption. Hear concrete challenge ideas (from median-level shock tasks to novel-theorem tests) and policy-relevant implications. Listen now to get the key ideas in minutes.