I talk to Wendell Wallach, a pioneer in the discussion on AI Ethics and author of "Moral Machines" and "A dangerous Master: how to keep technology from slipping beyond our control". We talk about: 00:00 Introducing Wendell Wallach 07:40 Banning Autonomous Weapon Systems and Meaningful Human Control 38:31 Situational Understanding and Top Down vs Bottom Up Approaches to Moral Machines 32:05 Limits of current Generative AI, Thinking, Understanding, Moral Judgement 35:09 Turing's 'Imitation Game' and Searle's 'Chinese Room' 37:23 Meaningful Human Control 45:13 Inevitability