Join me for a conversation with Hugo Santos, an agility judge and handler from Portugal. We met at the Janakkala Open in Finland, where he was judging, and recorded this episode right in my VendaVan at the venue - so please excuse any background noises from the competition!

I'm still working on improving the sound quality, but my dog Sisu had other plans and decided to bite through my mic cable! Since I'm traveling and need a specific Rode cable that's not easy to find on the road, I'm working with what I have for now.

We dive into course designing, agility in Portugal, Hugo's Border Collie Never, and much more. Even though this was the first time Hugo and I met, it felt like catching up with an old friend from the very first minute.

Hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did!