In this episode, Jordi Montes and Sully Omar discuss the evolution of AI agents, emphasizing the importance of hands-on tinkering in understanding and developing these technologies. They explore the definition of AI agents, the future of their simplification and intelligence, and the implications of frameworks like MCP for AI interactions. The conversation also touches on the role of payment systems in AI, the paradigm shift in agent functionality, and the categorization of AI models through a structured framework. In this conversation, Sully discusses the tiered structure of AI models, emphasizing the importance of evaluating new models based on their performance and use cases. He shares insights on integrating AI into business products, particularly through innovative workflows that leverage spreadsheets.