We are expected to fit our lives into the 9-to-5 structure. But what if our biology was never designed for industrial time?

I speak with Camilla Kring, PhD—chronobiologist, author of “Chronoleadership”, and founder of Super Navigators—about how leaders, teams, and families can thrive when we work with our circadian rhythms instead of against them.

Camilla explains:

 Why “early isn’t discipline, late isn’t laziness”—it’s genetics.

 How the early-riser bias still shapes workplaces, schools, and families.

 The health costs of “social jetlag” and living out of sync with your body clock

 How practical tools can help, such as the Munich Chronotype Questionnaire, team mapping, and chrono-inclusive meetings.

 Why trust and psychological safety are prerequisites for chronoleadership.

 How AI and flexible scheduling could finally align work with real lives and family structures.

 What this means for CEOs, couples, parents, and anyone who’s ever felt shame for their sleep pattern.

I share how Camilla’s work has helped me embrace my own extreme early chronotype—and rethink my relationship with my son, a late chronotype.

More about Camilla Kring, PhD:

Camilla Kring (b. 1977) is a visionary engineer with a passion for transforming how we live and work. With a PhD in work-life balance and expertise in chronobiology, she founded Super Navigators to help individuals and organizations create flexible workplaces that accommodate different chronotypes and family structures. Since 2005, Camilla has consulted with organizations on four continents to create healthier, more productive work environments. Her insights have been featured in The New York Times, the BBC, and The Guardian. Camilla is the author of six books and a TEDx speaker. 

Camilla is a time activist dedicated to creating fairer and more flexible time structures in work and society. In 2006, she founded B-Society, a nonprofit organization advocating for later start times in schools and workplaces. She challenges the cultural bias that favors early risers and pushes night owls to adapt. Her vision is a world where all chronotypes have equal opportunities to thrive—in health, education, and work.

Links:

Super Navigators: https://www.supernavigators.com/

Applied Chronobiology: https://www.appliedchronobiology.com/

Test your chronotype: https://www.appliedchronobiology.com/test

RNA Test: https://www.bodyclock.health/

Chronoleadership: https://a.co/d/jbSv2Q9