ACITI spoke to Professor Poppy Winanti, a visiting fellow at the Indo-Pacific Research Centre, Murdoch University and Professor of International Relations at the Faculty of Social and Political Sciences, Universitas Gadjah Mada (UGM), Indonesia.The discussion explored the importance of the Indonesia-Australia trade and investment relationship and current efforts to strengthen that relationship, Indonesia's view of the relationship under President Prabowo, and the impact of the IA-CEPA trade agreement on trade. In light of current turbulence caused by President Trump's trade policies, we also explored how Australia and Indonesia might work together in response to this turbulence, including increased collaboration in various international organisations.