In this episode of the ACCWA Podcast, Ps Phil Ayres sits down with Ps. Sharon Chelliah to explore one of the biggest questions for any pastor: How do you lead well both in church and at home? Together, they unpack the vital role of prioritising your family as your “first flock”, cultivating intentional rhythms of presence and fostering deep connections in the home. From setting boundaries and shaping a Godly culture, to navigating the pressures of life in the fishbowl, this conversation is packed with honest insights and practical wisdom for any pastor or church leader striving to lead well in both ministry and family life.