By now hydrogen has a wide scale of applications and is a prominent theme within the energy transition. The most sustainable hydrogen requires large-scale renewable electricity, which is often found in different areas than where demand is high. Matching sustainable hydrogen supply and demand requires long distance transportation, in which hydrogen in the form of ammonia is most efficient. Besides an energy carrier, ammonia is also a direct feedstock or intermediate. Together with ammonia, methanol is a key enabler. They provide ways to directly decarbonize numerous hard to abate applications like industrial feedstock and heat, shipping and heavy transport. In this episode, Lonneke Tabak, Energy Transition Services Lead of the Netherlands, invited Hanh Nguyen, Vice President of sustainability at OCI Global. At the ammonia import terminal in Rotterdam, they discuss different perspectives on how sustainable hydrogen can be stimulated from both the demand and supply side.