A conversation between artist Lisa Tan and Håkan Fischer, professor in human biological psychology on 29 November, 2024. For the exhibition Dodge and/or Burn, Lisa Tan has looked at the intersection between the nervous system and interior life as a way to examine the operations of art, uncertainty and the formation of the self. As a professor in biological psychology this intersection is Håkan Fischer’s expertise and field of research. The focus of biological psychology is understanding and explaining psychological functions with the help of underlying biological processes, or, in other words how our experience of the world is connected to processes in the brain. Departing from the exhibition Dodge and/or Burn, Tan and Fischer discuss their respective methods and different considerations in exploring human inner life.