We’re staring into the abyss of 2009’s The Final Destination to see what will gaze back. Leo X. Robertson returns with his new movie, Canceled Plans, and discusses the challenges of extending stories, dealing with heavier themes, the art of ambiguity & more. Leo joins the gents as we continue our Final Destination series jumping into the fourth entry to discuss the importance of celebrating life, NASCAR, breaking franchise rules & more. Get your tickets for Horrific Hope Film Festival here.

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Abyss Gazing: A Horror Podcast is a production of Victims and Villains is written by Josh “Captain Nostalgia” Burkey (& produced by), Brandon Miller & Billy Tabor. Music for this episode comes courtesy of Kevin MacLeod (https://bit.ly/agktheme) & Purple Planet (https://bit.ly/ppcoms).

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