Most people in Education agree that schools are far from perfect. Should we be making small changes, or do we need a radical rethink?  In a conversation with his partner Zoë Guzy-Sprague, Stan talks about the influence of self-directed learning and unschooling on his thinking. He looks back the past few months and asks “what next?” for the podcast, his career and for Education in general. Also, Zoë gives her thoughts before she enters teacher training in the UK. Listen to the end for the bit when they accidentally get talking about having kids.