In this heart-opening conversation, choir leader and podcast host Lisa Littlebird sits down with actor and Vedic meditation teacher Jeff Kober to ask how we move from polarization toward lasting harmony. Referencing the Gene Keys (especially Key 17 on opinions → farsightedness → omniscience, and Key 51 on trust) as a compass, they explore the fear-driven “survival self,” tribalism, and the ego’s twin traps of smallness and grandiosity.
Jeff shares how daily meditation practice has helped him dis-identify from fear, and he shares a story from the stage about leaping into the unknown and discovering real-time trust. Together they reframe spiritual practice as process over product, anchored in service and community—where a shared purpose creates a field that lifts everyone. The episode closes with “When We Sing” by Olivia Fern—an invitation to feel, receive, and join the chorus.
https://jeff-kober.com
https://asongforallofus.org
Wholehearted Chorus Concerts:
San Diego, CA
Tuesday, October 14, 7:30-9pm
at the Joan Kroc Center in San Diego
Wednesday, October 22nd, 7:30-9pm
at the Golden State Theater in Monterey, CA