On this episode, Alex speaks with the illustrious and engaging Christopher C. Krebs. Krebs is an American attorney who served as first Director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) in the U.S. Department of Homeland Security from November 2018 to November 2020. In November 2020, President Donald Trump fired Krebs via Tweet for refuting Trump's claims of election fraud in the presidential election. Shortly after this, Mr. Krebs penned an op-ed for The Washington Post in which he asserted himself: “Trump fired me for saying this, but I’ll say it again - the election wasn’t rigged.” We talk about what the government can and cannot do to bolster security, and how some matters of national security can be threats from within. We are big fans of Krebs and appreciate his service working on security for our country -- at CISA and beyond with his new consulting agency, Krebs Stamos Group, co-founded with former Facebook Chief Security Officer, Alex Stamos. We will also now steal his joke about how CISA loves security so much, they include the word twice in their agency's name. Thank you, Chris! :) This interview took place on March 10, 2022, before Krebs spoke publicly in conversation with Bobby Chesney at the Strauss Center for International Security and Law, as part of their ongoing Brumley Speaker Series.