Jordan Leahy is a birder, therapist, photographer, and the creator of the popular Instagram account @consider.thebirds, which combines bird photos with liberatory quotations. In this interview, Jason and Jordan talk about punk music, Christian faith, working toward liberation for all, and bringing any and all of the above into therapy.



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CreditsLogo: Sarah WalterTheme Music: Jason Crane