This is the first repeat guest of the pod cast, join us as Rik eaf Abi and myself explores the multifaceted nature of creativity and the emotional journeys of artists. We delve into personal experiences , the struggles and ethical challenges of monetizing art, and the importance of connection with the audience. we reflect on the evolution of our creative outlets, the balance between risk and reward, and the impact of fear that comes with new artistic expressions. Ultimately, the discussion highlights the value of creativity in life and the legacy of artists. In this engaging conversation we explore the nuances of creativity, songwriting, and the evolving relationship between artists and their audiences. We discuss the importance of breaking traditional songwriting rules, the timeless nature of classic songs, and the discovery and success of intimate house concerts . The conversation delves into the challenges faced by aging artists, the role of risk in creativity, and the significance of owning one's artistic identity. Ultimately, we emphasize the liberating realization that, in the grand scheme, nobody truly cares about the judgments we impose on ourselves, allowing for a more authentic expression of creativity.